Duelund DCA-20GA Tin Plated Copper wire

Discussion in 'System and Room Tweaks' started by marantzfan, Mar 21, 2017.

  1. marantzfan

    marantzfan Administrator Staff Member

    I just couldn't take it any longer. That's it. No excuses, no good reasoning for it.

    I've been a fan of Jeff day's blog for a while; Jeff's Place, where recently he has been a quest for "vintage tone", which appeals to me as well. I've enjoyed watching his journey through vintage amplifiers, preamplifiers, turntables, cartridges, boutique capacitors, resistors, ancient Western Electric wire and now finally, Dueland tin plated copper wire.
    I've resisted the urge this entire time to lay down any of my hard earned cash on his latest audio revelations, and have been quite proud of myself... Till now.

    I'm also a big fan of Jim Smith, most widely known as the author of Get Better Sound, as I've found his book and quarterly emails to be spot on with regards to system setup and tips.

    So, you can't really blame me, when these two guys gang up on a fella like this:

    http://jeffsplace.me/wordpress/?p=11110

    Within minutes of reading this entry, I had 15 meters of said cable in my shopping cart at partsconnexion.com and was entering in my MasterCard number.

    Now we wait.... And when the cable arrives, I'll build up some interconnects and a set of speaker cables to play with. I know that our beloved TubeHiFiNut has also succumbed to this weakness and has some of the 16AWG cable...

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  2. TubeHiFiNut

    TubeHiFiNut Administrator Staff Member

    I have not made up any interconnects yet, but do plan to do so - especially since Duelund now has a 20ga cable. :)

    Been going back and forth with the Duelund, the iconic WE 16ga (also tinned and cloth covered, it served as the inspiration for the Dueland) and my funky 12ga solid core generic wire (that just happens to sound pretty darn good).

    I'm still gathering my thoughts for a thread comparing the three. ;)
     
  3. billfort

    billfort Administrator Staff Member

    I haven't tried this specific brand of wire Anthony, but several from along the same twisted path as that - tinned copper, thin ga., cotton or cloth insulation, some with WE on the spools etc.. Usually not too fancy looking or priced (at least until the 'internet' caught on :) ) but this is the place where I've found the music happens - at least in the kind of systems we use.

    Looking forward to reading your (and David's) thoughts and I have to try some of this.
     
  4. marantzfan

    marantzfan Administrator Staff Member

    It will certainly be interesting to see how this compares with the Neotech IC's and speaker cable (read, 18GA teflon hookup wire) that I am using currently in my system.

    To date, the Neotech stuff has been the best sounding wire I've tried by a pretty decent margin... but we'll see. :)
     
  5. TubeHiFiNut

    TubeHiFiNut Administrator Staff Member

    Try some 30ga wire wrap based (silver plated copper with kynar insulation) interconnects sometime. ;)
     
  6. Redboy

    Redboy Knobophobe

    Have you had a chance to play around with this stuff yet, Anthony?
     
  7. marantzfan

    marantzfan Administrator Staff Member

    Actually, just last night my Switchcraft RCA jacks and heat shrink came in from Parts-Express, so I shall be playing soon. :)

    You use Neotech cable too, don't you Nate?
     
  8. Redboy

    Redboy Knobophobe

    Yes. I have some of that schmancy high purity silver stuff. But this looks interesting.

    I really like the look and feel of Jeff's blog and I appreciate his enthusiasm, but he's quite the proponent of magic formulas... But he takes good pictures and I like good pictures, so some of it's forgivable. :-)

     
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  9. MikeT.

    MikeT. Senior Member

    Which of the Dueland makes the most difference do you think, the interconnects or the speaker cable?
     
  10. Redboy

    Redboy Knobophobe

    Well, I couldn't stand it... Needed to taste the Kool-Aid myself.

    "Goods shipped today."
     
  11. TubeHiFiNut

    TubeHiFiNut Administrator Staff Member

    Be interested to read your thoughts on the Dueland speaker wire.

    I've been going back and forth between the Dueland 16ga, the WE 16ga, generic 12ga solid core, Tara Labs Space and Time TFA Return, 18ga pure solid core silver, and Canare 4S11.

    They all have their strengths and weaknesses.

    Been trying to find the time to gather my thoughts into some kind of (hopefully) coherent comparison.....
     
  12. Mortsnets

    Mortsnets Junior Member

    I compared some of my favorite speaker wire in a very sloppy unscientific manner and would rank them as follows:
    1. Duelund DCA16GA
    2. Woods extension cord
    3. WE16GA
    4. Belden 9497
     
  13. TubeHiFiNut

    TubeHiFiNut Administrator Staff Member

    The DIY 18ga solid core silver seems to offer the cleanest, most transparent sound.

    Problem is that I need longer runs. ;)
     
  14. Redboy

    Redboy Knobophobe

    Ahem.

    Test. Test. Testing...

    Hey Anthony, did you ever build up those interconnects?
     
  15. marantzfan

    marantzfan Administrator Staff Member

    Actually... I did and I completely forgot to update this thread.

    I'll fix that today!
     
  16. Redboy

    Redboy Knobophobe

    Cool!
     
  17. marantzfan

    marantzfan Administrator Staff Member

    Well..

    Building your own cables is a very easy and cost effective DIY endeavor in my opinion. For this project, I went with plain old switchcraft RCA jacks and heat shrink to distinguish polarity.

    Here are a few shots putting them together for those who would like to see how to do this.

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    Those "helping hands" really come in handy with something like this.

    I finished these up right after I had wrapped up the McIntosh pieces that I was restoring, so those were the first place these got used.

    I had listened to the Macs for a few days with my Neotech IC's before swapping these in. My first concern was going to be that these wouldn't be as quiet as the very well shielded Neotechs, but that really wasn't a concern.

    The Dueland cable sounded a little bit bright at first compared to the Neotech and not as balanced but I attribute that to lack of burn in. After a few listening sessions things settled down and these have shown themselves to be very musical. Honestly, I haven't even thought of interconnects in the last few months, which is probably why I forgot to update this thread. Now, I won't say that the Dueland are MUCH better than the Neotech, it's close but I do think that they are a bit more laid back and just get out of the way without drawing any attention to what they do or do not do in my system.

    Much like when I got the Altec 604-8Gs, I now feel that as far as IC's are concerned, I'm done swapping. If there is further improvement to be found in my system, I'll look elsewhere. Maybe that SET 2A3 amp I just finished building... ;)
     
  18. Redboy

    Redboy Knobophobe

    I had a similar experience with the pair I put together, so I've decided to make five or six more pairs of ICs with this stuff and sell off some other name brand interconnects.
     
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  19. marantzfan

    marantzfan Administrator Staff Member

    Sounds about right.

    I’ve also decided to wire up my 604’s with Dueland as well, both internally and speaker cables.
     
  20. Redboy

    Redboy Knobophobe

    I'm considering that, too. Have been using the 16ga for speaker cables lately.
     
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