My Turntable - A Journey Recovering from Analog Mistakes (Hopefully So)

MikeT.

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My Rega P2 will be a Frankenstein-ian project built out of painful turntable experiences of buying, selling, getting close, then chunking it all only to realize I did something stupid. Two previous Rega’s RP3’s, I didn’t like the whole double brace technology sound. Some other tables I lucked into and didn’t realize what I really had. I don’t see a way to a REALLY expensive turntable/tonearm combination, based on my current analog consumption, but I do know what I’ve liked from combinations I’ve stumbled across in the past. Most recently I’ve come to respect my Rega P2 with the RB-220 tonearm (fully adjustable anti-skate) and hope I can bring some other mods to it that will elevate my analog listening experience.

I’m reaching back to my all-time favorite cartridge, the Denon DL103. The Rega P2 plastic end stub is out, replaced (on the way) by Inceni Audio underslung counterweight and stainless steel stub designed for the RB220 with heavy weights for the Denon. I was worried I wouldn’t be able to replace the end stub and counterweight. I “heard” Rega had glued in the end stub which had me reticent to try and remove it. But just a slight twist and it came out like butter, which was troubling as well. It should have been more snugged-up. The underslung counter weight will allow VTA adjustment of the tonearm while allowing the dustcover to remain in place.

Tango Spinner sub-platter and upgraded belt. That has already brought a small, but significant level of speed stability.

I bought a Schiit Mani 2 for the Denon. The Mani is still getting knock-out reviews for phono preamps under $1,000. Using the DL103, it was a past winner of a shoot-out between the Mani, a Musical Fidelity and another preamp. The Mani won hands down. I still don’t like the brand name though.

As much as I love streaming, I can’t shake the tweaking of analog. Plus, the album covers are like little time capsules. I just received a Little Feat album from Discogs, 1988 Let It Roll, their first album after Lowell George died. I couldn’t get the album back in the sleeve, reached inside and discovered newspaper clippings of the album debut and concert information from a 1988 Washington Post. The original owner was obviously a big fan. I felt like I was let in on a secret, something very important to this person. Very cool!

More project pics as I go.

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Very reasonable I thought. The owner said he “made your counterweight “ the day after I placed my order. Shipped very quickly.
 
I have no idea, YET, as to how this all sounds but it looks great!! I’ve let out a sigh of relief after successfully installing the DL103 with everything else. The knurled knob is actually the brass cartridge mounting screw by Soundsmith. The thread screw size is Metric 2M, almost the exact opening size of the most forward of the three holes in the Rega RB220 “headshell”. I sawed off about 6mm of the 10mm length and it adds about 3 grams of additional weight to the overall mass of the tonearm. If it sounds great, I’ll secure it with drop of Loctite 222 to keep it from moving.

The installation of the counterweight was easy and straightforward.

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I have no idea, YET, as to how this all sounds but it looks great!! I’ve let out a sigh of relief after successfully installing the DL103 with everything else. The knurled knob is actually the brass cartridge mounting screw by Soundsmith. The thread screw size is Metric 2M, almost the exact opening size of the most forward of the three holes in the Rega RB220 “headshell”. I sawed off about 6mm of the 10mm length and it adds about 3 grams of additional weight to the overall mass of the tonearm. If it sounds great, I’ll put secure it with drop of Loctite 222 to keep it from moving.

The installation of the counterweight was easy and straightforward.

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That looks really good 👍

Andy
 
Listening to my most recent album acquisition, Little Feat - Let It Roll, before and after counterweight installation.

Much more even performance with the aftermarket underslung counterweight and much of what I remember I like so much about this cartridge. Steel string riffs are much more lively without being overly harsh. Cymbals, very realistic crash, again without being too splashy or harsh.

Next up is a reference album, Phoebe Snow - Phoebe Snow, vocals are superb as would be expected from this cartridge. Again, guitars are excellent. I seem to be able to listen-in more with the DL103 than with the other carts I’ve endeavored to keep me hooked on vinyl.
I find myself turning up the volume as I listen, which is the opposite of any moving magnet carts I’ve tried in the $100 to $500 carts I’ve tried. Drumstick ticks on cymbal center are just right. Bass is articulate without bloats. Soundstage is not the best I’ve experienced but not bad either. I’ll trade its musicality over soundstage any time.

I have experienced something close with a HANA EL which I remember was very similar but a little more strident in places, just ever so much. The most expensive moving coil I’ve ever owned was a Dynavector 10X5 at $750 which was much too soft, one of the components that didn’t make it even for a day before it went up for sale.

The highly regarded AT-VM540ML, my previous cart, was probably a more detailed cartridge, but for my ears still a little bright, as I found most AT carts.

Next up is another reference album, Paul Simon - Hearts and Bones, side two, Train in the Distance, is another track that pulls me in with the Denon cart, vocals and microphone proximity seem precise and, again, just right. Rene and Georgette Magritte… and The Late Great Johnny Ace, they just seem ”right”.

I think one must be a Denon DL103 fan or you’re not. It’s certainly not the most detailed cart I’ve ever owned but it is the most musical I’ve owned and enjoyed. My biggest fear has been allayed, is it compatible with the medium mass tonearm of the Rega P2. “My” answer is YES, with the proper small adjustments in counterweight and mass addition. Surprisingly, I was able to balance the arm and cart with the original Rega P2 counterweight but the sound was a bit “thin” on both ends.

More later, with other genres, but I think I’ve made the right decision, for now ;) :D:smoke
 
That’s an excellent write up….glad it’s all come together for you 👍my buddy @BillWojo got me started on Denon DL 103s and now there’s a who family living here :eek:

Actually only have one base 103 and it’s been changed to an elliptical, so has my 103R, so when you wear that one down, it’s life has just began;)

Andy
 
Many here will, no doubt, have used Loctite 222. Not me but I was very, pleasantly, surprised and thankfully did a test on a screw and nut prior to setting the brass weight on the forward part of the headshell. Light hold, but grabs the thread and nut very quickly but if a mistake were to be made, I could quickly un-do it with very little force. Nice!
 
Listening to my most recent album acquisition, Little Feat - Let It Roll, before and after counterweight installation.

Much more even performance with the aftermarket underslung counterweight and much of what I remember I like so much about this cartridge. Steel string riffs are much more lively without being overly harsh. Cymbals, very realistic crash, again without being too splashy or harsh.

Next up is a reference album, Phoebe Snow - Phoebe Snow, vocals are superb as would be expected from this cartridge. Again, guitars are excellent. I seem to be able to listen-in more with the DL103 than with the other carts I’ve endeavored to keep me hooked on vinyl.
I find myself turning up the volume as I listen, which is the opposite of any moving magnet carts I’ve tried in the $100 to $500 carts I’ve tried. Drumstick ticks on cymbal center are just right. Bass is articulate without bloats. Soundstage is not the best I’ve experienced but not bad either. I’ll trade its musicality over soundstage any time.

I have experienced something close with a HANA EL which I remember was very similar but a little more strident in places, just ever so much. The most expensive moving coil I’ve ever owned was a Dynavector 10X5 at $750 which was much too soft, one of the components that didn’t make it even for a day before it went up for sale.

The highly regarded AT-VM540ML, my previous cart, was probably a more detailed cartridge, but for my ears still a little bright, as I found most AT carts.

Next up is another reference album, Paul Simon - Hearts and Bones, side two, Train in the Distance, is another track that pulls me in with the Denon cart, vocals and microphone proximity seem precise and, again, just right. Rene and Georgette Magritte… and The Late Great Johnny Ace, they just seem ”right”.

I think one must be a Denon DL103 fan or you’re not. It’s certainly not the most detailed cart I’ve ever owned but it is the most musical I’ve owned and enjoyed. My biggest fear has been allayed, is it compatible with the medium mass tonearm of the Rega P2. “My” answer is YES, with the proper small adjustments in counterweight and mass addition. Surprisingly, I was able to balance the arm and cart with the original Rega P2 counterweight but the sound was a bit “thin” on both ends.

More later, with other genres, but I think I’ve made the right decision, for now ;) :D:smoke
Gonna have to pull some Johnny Ace out of my stack. Nice work.
 
I’m not planning on doing anything right now since the Soundsmith brass cartridge mounting screw to add mass to the Rega RB220 is working great. Prior to that I ordered a package of small, very thin self-adhesive lead strips (used for weighting golf club heads) approximately 5 centimeters long and 1 centimeter wide. Picture attached.

The mass of the lead weights is just under 3 grams, a little less than the brass mounting screw. The size of the lead strip is almost perfect to mount directly to the top of the arm. Would applying these weights a little forward of the pivot point of the tonearm have merit in adding weight closer to the pivot rather than at the end of the arm? I’m not sure how the maths work out. Some say mass is mass no matter where you add it. I suppose it would change the center of gravity??? Would that it even matter, I can’t find any calculations that would help measure the effect or how. It would bring the counterweight closer to the arm pivot after adjustment. Thoughts!
 

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