Rip SACD with a Blu-ray player

Discussion in 'All Things Digital' started by MikeyFresh, May 13, 2018.

  1. MikeyFresh

    MikeyFresh Moderator Staff Member

    This thread is not intended to rehash or further detail the well established PlayStation 3 SACD ripping method, nor the more recent Blu-ray player method, that in each case typically involves use of a command line interface (CLI) via a Telnet/SSH session.

    While both of the above are perfectly workable solutions, they are also more complex than most non-expert computer users care to tackle. The CLI can be intimidating and/or tedious for those unaccustomed to it.

    This thread instead seeks to detail in concise fashion the Blu-ray player method when coupled with the superb Sonore ISO2DSD freeware, which offers an easy to understand GUI that can be configured and operated with just a few clicks on Windows, Mac, or Linux based computers.

    This specific mode of operation will utilize the Blu-ray player as a file server (aka the server method), with the extracted SACD tracks sent over Ethernet or WiFi to a destination computer residing anywhere on the same local network as the Blu-ray player/ripper.

    I will focus on extracting the 2-channel stereo tracks only, converting them directly to .dsf files and forgoing a full ISO disc archive, electing not to rip any multi-channel tracks. This saves significant storage space, ripping time, as well as the post rip time and effort needed to split an ISO.

    Additionally, the initial core and subplot of this thread will center on use of the recently discovered (Feb. 2018) inexpensive Sony Blu-ray player models that currently hold the distinction of being the "world's least expensive SACD ripping solution".

    While no longer in production, these Sony Blu-ray player models are available on the used market for as little as $20, and were commonly sold all over the world by retailers including Walmart and Target, so they should remain easily obtained for some time to come.

    The essentially similar procedure for using certain Pioneer, Oppo, and Cambridge brand Blu-ray players will also be covered, if any Haven members prefer to use those machines instead of a Sony.
     
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  2. Olson_jr

    Olson_jr Active Member

    Is this in some way different than what the guys at Computer Audio have been doing for the last couple of years?
     
  3. StevenZ

    StevenZ Active Member

    Subscribed!
     
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  4. TubeHiFiNut

    TubeHiFiNut Administrator Staff Member

    Definitely interesting topic. :)
     
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  5. MikeyFresh

    MikeyFresh Moderator Staff Member

    In some ways yes, and in most ways no.

    The threads on the CA, AA, and SH forums have become very long, sometimes contain errors, dated information, and off-topic content too. They can be difficult to search.

    This is not to say those threads aren't extremely valuable resources, and I'm surely not knocking them in any way, I learned 99% of what I know about SACD ripping on the very CA thread you referenced.

    But I hope this Haven thread will offer some important differences.

    First, a concise, up-to-date, clutter free, easy to understand for the non-expert computer method that anyone can do. This means I will largely forgo discussion on use of things like the command line interface (CLI), Telnet, SSH, or any other somewhat advanced programs or methods requiring more than just basic computer skills and knowledge.

    Second, I will focus on the most recent development first, that being the relatively new finding of various downright inexpensive Sony model Blu-ray players that are compatible. This is not to say that information wasn't hatched on the CA thread, it was and I don't at all claim to have invented it, though I did help to test/refine/troubleshoot it. But it's a newer and cheaper way to rip SACDs and those Sony models involved are easily obtained, in fact many people already own one, given they were commonly sold at chains such as Walmart and Target.

    Lastly, this Haven thread will be different simply because it is the Haven. Though the CA thread you mention has been relatively free of bad behavior/participants, at least in comparison to many (most?) other threads there, thats not to say it never happens. I've seen posts attacking the OP for not immediately responding to a question, posts attacking methods or members when someone can't get it to work and wants to point fingers/blame others for their own inadequacy, posts attacking companies and freeware like Sonore ISO2DSD, etc... this Haven thread will have exactly none of that.

    I could go on, but I think that's the gist of it. This Haven thread aims to be newer, kinder/gentler for beginners, more concise, and hopefully easier to understand with one streamlined process (Sonore's GUI using the server extraction method over a network), all presented and discussed in the spirit and manner we've become accustomed to here as opposed to elsewhere on the web.
     
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  6. Prime Minister

    Prime Minister Site Owner Staff Member

    Excellent idea. You deserve a raise!
     
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  7. billfort

    billfort Administrator Staff Member

    Thanks for taking this on Mike - this is great!

    I've been ripping all my SACDs to DSD for years using the PS-3 method but it's clunky & geeky to say the least - would love to see a concise and noise-free description of how to do it using more 'current' pieces.
     
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  8. S0und Dragon

    S0und Dragon Junior Member

    Subscribed!
     
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  9. TubeHiFiNut

    TubeHiFiNut Administrator Staff Member

    Outstanding topic!

    A process of intense interest and value made simple.....gotta love it. :)

    Thank you very much, @MikeyFresh :)
     
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  10. Celt

    Celt Forever Plaid

    This should be way better than the "Rip One By Eating Taco Bell" thread...
     
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  11. John Frum

    John Frum Junior Member

    So, with greater accessibility of SACD ripping technology, may we posit the existence, somewhere in the darkest nooks and crannies of the innerwebs, of a site listing the whole catalog of SACD titles with DSD torrent links?

    Because, uh, if so, we should all make sure not to go there.

    In any case, all this talk of nooks and crannies makes me want an English muffin.
     
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  12. I have been ripping SACDs on the Oppo BDP-103 Player for the last 18 months. Works like a charm
     
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  13. Prime Minister

    Prime Minister Site Owner Staff Member

    That would be dreadful. I'd have to visit there, just determine the size and scope of the transgressions.
     
  14. marantzfan

    marantzfan Administrator Staff Member

    This has my interest piqued as well.

    Very interested to see the how to Mikey!
     
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  15. MikeyFresh

    MikeyFresh Moderator Staff Member

    Me too, I started with a Pioneer BDP-80fd in July 2016, and then the near-Oppo clone Cambridge CXU in March 2017. Both have been rock solid.

    I wanted redundancy, as the Pioneer doesn't exhibit great build quality, and I am hell-bent on retaining this capability indefinitely, so I added that Oppo-caliber Cambridge CXU unit to my fleet where it serves primary duty as the main disc spinner in a video-based living room set-up.

    And with the recent advent of cheap Sony model compatibility, I've now got 3 capable machines: a cheap Sony, a mid-priced Pioneer, and an expensive Cambridge. I've pushed this cheap Sony BDP-S5100 unit to front line duty, for now it will do all of the SACD rip heavy lifting.

    I will not relinquish this ability to rip SACDs, I waited too long for it, and every time I turn around I've bought some new titles that need to be ripped.
     
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  16. MikeyFresh

    MikeyFresh Moderator Staff Member

    A good starting point in this thread for anyone hoping to rip their own SACDs involves reviewing a list of "reported working" Blu-ray player brands and models.

    Maybe a Haven member already owns one of these units, or in the case of these newly discovered cheap Sony models, perhaps there is a Haven member who would take the same type of low-risk $39 eBay plunge I recently did to acquire a used example that will get the job done.

    To my knowledge, all of the known to work players have one thing in common, they utilize the MediaTek MT8560, or MT8580 SoC as their CPU chip/IC solution. While it appears MediaTek still sells the MT8580, the players known to be using this IC were all first offered for sale sometime around 2012, and since then the subsequent model offerings have used different CPUs and are thus (currently) incompatible with ripping SACDs.

    So we are talking about "old" technology here, though Oppo, Cambridge, Pioneer, and Arcam all continued to offer these units as a current model straight through much of 2017, and there are still today some new-in-box Pioneer units available though they are vanishing fast (Best Buy might have the only remaining new stock).

    Here is a list of reported working/compatible with SACD ripping brands and models, hopefully there will be additional discoveries and this list can someday be revised once again, just like it was in February 2018 with the addition of the Sony units listed below.

    Sony brand compatible Blu-ray players:
    BDP-S390 (also sold as BX39 in some markets)
    BDP-S490
    BDP-S590 (also sold as BX59 in some markets)
    BDP-S4100
    BDP-S5100 (also sold as BX510 in some markets)


    Pioneer brand compatible Blu-ray players:
    BDP-80FD
    BDP-160
    BDP-170


    Oppo brand compatible Blu-ray players:
    BDP-103 and 103D
    BDP-105 and 105D


    Cambridge brand compatible Blu-ray players:
    Azur 752BD
    CXU


    Arcam brand compatible Blu-ray & CD/SACD players:
    FMJ UDP411
    FMJ CDS27

    Are there any Haven members who have one of the models listed above, and would like to rip SACD?
     
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  17. TubeHiFiNut

    TubeHiFiNut Administrator Staff Member

    Probably a dumb question from the non-digital one here..... :)

    The OPPO BDP93 I have plays SACDs. What I take from your post, though, is that it will not RIP them?
     
  18. MikeyFresh

    MikeyFresh Moderator Staff Member

    That is correct, unfortunately the only rip compatible Oppo models are the 10x series players.
     
  19. MikeyFresh

    MikeyFresh Moderator Staff Member

    Tonight I configured the $39 Sony BDP-S5100 "eBay Treasure" unit for connection to my home network via WiFi, allowing the removal of the Ethernet cable from the player's LAN port.

    This unit is now no longer physically tethered to my router, so it can be relocated anywhere in the house, and the only cable it needs is it's captive AC power cord.

    I then proceeded to successfully rip the RCA Living Stereo Chopin Piano Concertos Nos. 1 & 2/Rubenstein SACD reissue with absolutely no troubles.

    This dispels an often repeated fallacy found on some other forums: that WiFi isn't stable enough or high bandwidth capable for ripping SACD over a network.

    That's a gross over generalization, modern WiFi in all but the most interference-prone environments will work perfectly well for ripping SACDs over a network, albeit a little bit slower than an Ethernet wired connection.

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  20. airdronian

    airdronian Junior Member

    I'm guessing my Sony BDP-S360 will be too old to take advantage of this. :(
     

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